If you have been on Facebook for any length of time, you almost certainly have gotten yourself pulled into a debate on Baptism. On Facebook, Baptism debates are long and drawn out with no end, kind of like a charismatic altar call.

The reason for that is because most debates on baptism are not presuppositional debates, they are evidentiary, with presuppositional examinations of Scriptural texts.

The Credobaptist, presupposing immersion, looks at all the times someone came up from the water as a way to demonstrate immersion. Or, assuming credobaptism, they look for all the times someone was saved, then baptized as evidentiary proof texts for their position.

The paedobaptist, assuming covenantal baptism, looks for all the instances of household baptisms and tries to make an evidentiary case that there must have been infants as part of that baptism.

But the truth is that Baptism debates should not be a debate on Baptism. They should be a debate on Covenant and who are and who are not the members of it.

That’s the issue that is raised on John Crawford’s film, Baptism is Not Enough.

Go ahead and watch the trailer below. I can wait….

Baptism Is Not Enough: How Understanding God’s Covenant Explains Everything (promo) from American Vision on Vimeo.

For those of you who are wondering, this is not an objective review for Baptism is Not Enough. That would just be impossible seeing how I was the director of photography for this project. So fair warning this is a completely biased, shameless self promotion.

This being Gospel Spam and all, this is indeed a plug for it. Because quite frankly more people need to see the film.You need to see this film.

First the Baptists, yes you. You guys. The immersionist, the credo’s, the LBCF’s, non-denominationalist, or whatever you guys call yourself, you need to see this film first and foremost as a way to be converted to the Presbyterian view of the covenant, but should that not happen, this is a great way for you to simply better understand the Presbyterian view of the covenant. It’s important that those who oppose a particular theological position actually know the theological position, so this will make Baptist’s better Facebook apologists. Wrong apologists, but apologists none the less.

Not to my Presbyterian brethren, you need to watch this film for the same reasons as the Baptists, to become better apologists of the position which you hold dear. Unlike Baptists, us presby’s allow Baptists to join our churches, and partake of communion. Because were nice like that. But I think all the extending the right hand of fellowship stuff has created a lot of new, presbyterian, ex-baptists (Yep, we got you!) who don’t really understand the Presbyterian position they now embrace and in many cases now teach. Thus within the Presbyterian church we have a lot of Baptiterians who just need a solid foundation and cleansing of all that is Baptist tainting their newly embraced theology. For you guys, Baptism is Not Enough is like a theological body cleanse diet.

So to the Baptists, pull up a nice tall refreshing glass of Welch’s grape juice, if you’re Presbyterian any adult beverage will do and watch Baptism is Not Enough, featuring the one and only John Crawford as he walks you through the true meaning of Covenant.

I promise you, this film will challenge you and push you theologically.

So what are you waiting for? Order Baptism is Not Enough by clicking here!

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_Michael_Hansen
_Michael_Hansen

Great movie! Great book!


Watch it and read it!


Visible, historical, representative, legal covenants are how the church is to be seen and run!

DamonRambo
DamonRambo

Baptists do not get their view of Baptism from just looking at the New Testament and seeing all the times only believers are baptized... We DO (at least, Reformed Baptists) start with Covenant. That trailer makes me want to kick the guy that is debating Crawford.. Just going to leave this here.... http://www.1689federalism.com/

GospelSpam
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@DamonRambo  Clearly I was referencing only those LBCF's who do not debate covenantally. 

wpuymac
wpuymac

Ironic that you would say " It’s important that those who oppose a particular theological position actually know the theological position." just a few paragraphs after "The Credobaptist, presupposing immersion, looks at all the times “someone came up from the water” as a way to demonstrate immersion."

jasond1689
jasond1689

@wpuymac I know right!?!? My comment got deleted talking about how Baptist (especially the "LBCF" types) don't simply "presuppose immersion" but actually argue it starting with covenant theology... suppose that wouldn't fit the the films presuppositions :-/ 

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